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Sinatana's avatar

Fantastic work, it’s about time we have these analyses, there aren’t enough scholars confronting and dissecting the conversations above our heads and between the cracks. i see the Pneumonia’s pneumonistic conversation and the skatology of the escatology gathering all privy counselors to finally slink into the slimy contagious virility of gnosis. Impeccable timing and i appreciate your practicing immediatism.

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Sinatana's avatar

Btw where did you get the Yoga-Karnika Translation from? i used one that can be attributed to Georg Feuerstein, PH.D. if you want to cite.

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Roger’s Bacon's avatar

it's the one you commented :)

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skaladom's avatar

Great read, well written and well documented! Loved the final poem.

The pattern looks a bit like a story in two times. First there is a simple turning away of the ordinary material world with its crass status games. Around a powerful spiritual figure, as the Buddha and Jesus and Lao Tse and others most likely were, this turning away comes about naturally. No need for much struggle or intention, the lesser is visibly outshone by the higher. Smaller scale examples of this can be seen even nowadays if you know where to look.

Then over time, maybe just a generation or two, maybe a few centuries, traditions get established and they become insecure about their own future, sanctimonious about morals, and eager to find converts and influence the world before they get influenced out of existence. Their emotional world becomes narrow and constrained, and over time their mainstream turns into the very kind of stodgy establishment that their predecessors originally rejected.

That's when, it some seed was kept alive, you may get a second twist. Turning away through indifference is no longer effective, now one needs to turn to the opposite for stronger effect. Hence antinomianism; if they get a strong case of it, you'll find them getting drunk, eating rotten stuff and drinking piss naked in some dark cellar. Or at least pretending to.

Each strand has its failure modes; drunken revelry on its own won't awaken you anymore than religious sanctimoniousness will. I think it's a sign real sign of a well functioning tradition to find both strands alive and well, keeping each other in check.

Ultimately though, antinomianism is the roundabout way. First you have to learn the old mainstream system, then you have to figure out the accepted ways to rebel away from it. If you have any possibility to inspire a genuine turning-away without going into that, so much the better.

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Roger’s Bacon's avatar

well said!

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